ncumeedu.txt subjects related to the education of ncu & me, collected from bbs and communcates with students rev TLYeh 85,10,9 list of subjects: (use ===== at the start of a new subject, ---- to seperate articles within a subject) ===== computer center announcements 84,8,22 ===== ¾÷¹q¡B¦Û°Ê¤Æ¡B¹ê§@¡B³]­p¡B´N·~¨t¦CºtÁ¿ rev TLYeh 85,6,7 ***** students comments on their learning experiences ===== ¤j¾Ç¸Ì¦Ñ®v/±Ð±Âªº©w¦ì rev 85,7,3 ===== ¨t¤W¦³¦Ñ®v¦b¬Ýboard¶Ü¡H rev 84,5,8 85,10,9 ===== Ū¾÷±ñ¯uªº¤£¦n¶Ü?? 84,5,12 ===== ®tÂI´N­ú¤F...... 85,1,12 ===== ¦n¥i¼¦ªº¾÷±ñ¥Í.... rev TLYeh 85,1,29 ===== ½Ð°Ý§Ú­Ì¾Ç®Õ¾÷±ñ¨t»P¨ä¥L¾Ç®Õªº®t²§¦b©ó???? rev TLYeh 85,4,24 ===== ©_©Ç£z£°...(±`¬Ý¨ì¥æ¤j¾÷±ñ¦³¤@¨Ç¦¨ªG³Q³ø¾É¥X¨Ó¡A¥i¬O§Ú­Ì¨t¤W¬°¤°»ò³£¨S¦³£z£°¡H¡H¡H). rev TLYeh 85,6,7 ===== ±Ð±Â­Ì ·s¦~§Ö¼Ö rev TLYeh 85,1,23 ===== ½Ð°Ý¨â­Ó°ÝÃD~~~~("³c½æ¾÷") Thu Nov 2 05:28:03 1995 ===== ¾Ç¥Í»P©Ò¦³¨Ó°Ñ¥[ªº¤H«Ý¹J¬Û¦P rev TLYeh 85,1,23 ===== IAD-¤p¤ß±o¤Fºô¸ô¨HÌX¯g ===== ½Ö¹ï¼gµ{¦¡©M³æªO·L¹q¸£¬ã¨s¦³¿³½ì©O?? ===== ¼Ð ÃD: ­Ó¤H·P¨¥, ¯ÂÄݵêºc (comments/suggestions about ME computer/DIY facilities for general ME students/unix manual/bbsnet offering, ºô¸ô, !!§A¹ï²Õ¦X»y¨¥¦³¿³½ì¶Ü?§A¹ïpc ¼ô¶Ü?) | µ¹§Y±N¶R·s¹q¸£ªº¤H¤@¨Ç¤p«Øij | ±JªÙÂ\¹q¸£! ==== ±Ð±Â¡A¤£®»§@¹ú´N¤£­n·í¤H¡I | ¹CÀ¸³W«h¦b­þ¸Ì | ·Q¤£¨ì¾÷±ñ¨t¦³³o¼Ëªº¾Ç¥Í | ·d¬Æ»ò¹À(¹q¤l¹q¸ô³Q·í¤H¤£²n) | on vibration controls robotics and changing advisor | ÆF«Â...¦^¨Ó¤F! | ¾÷¤@Bªº¦M¾÷¤À | 85,8,17 ===== Unix script to do FTP from Archie host automatically ===== about ncume bbs ºëµØ°Ï ===== ¼Ð ÃD: Åý§A¦Û¤v¨M©w¤¤¤jªº¥¼ ===== ¼Ð ÃD: ±z´¿·Q¹L¶Ü? (inspiring to ponder on what you can get from the education in NCU) ===== Title: ¤¶²Ð¥þ¨t±Ðµ{¤Î ¿ï½Ò»²¾É (12/27 11:00) ===== ¥H«e¬O¾÷¤GAªº»¯**®L 84,5,1 ===== Subject: "¾÷¹q¤¶­±¤Î¹êÅç"­×«á·P ===== ¦Û±± rev TLYeh 85,6,26 ===== ½Ð°Ý¦U¦ì·Ç³Æ¹L¬ã¨s©Òªº¾Çªø...... ===== Subject: "Ching S. Tseng" t330010@sparc20 on ¦@¦P¥²­×³W¹º ¥u¦³ programming ¦ÓµL ­p·§ ==== ±Ð¨|¥²»Ý±N©Ò¦³ªº¾Ç¥Í±a¤W¨Ó ===== ¤@­Ó¬Ýªk ¤uµ{±Ð§ï rev TLYeh 85,2,6 ===== ³¯¦Ñ®vªº­p·§ªº WWW ±Ð¾Ç¸ê®Æ homepage ¦b¨º¸Ì !!!«æ rev TLYeh 85,2,6 ***** ¹ï¤¤¤j/ democratic politics ===== ¹ï¤¤¤j¤§¤£º¡related ¼Ð ÃD: ±JªÙ¹q¸Ü@#$*? | ®¢¬°¤¤¥¡¤H | ¤¤¤j¤§¦º? | ¤j¯ó©WªºÄ¨Û£|¤¤¥¡¤j¾Ç¤º¦³»ñ½º¡I | ¤¤¤j¤å¤Æ | ¤¤¥¡ÅܤF | Æ{¨ò°Õ :( |¤@ÂI¤p·N¨£¡D¡D¡DÃö©ó±ß¤Wªº¹q¼v |»¹Äꪺ¤¤¤j¡I|±JªÙ¤u¤Í ¹ϲM¼äªº¦Ñ§B | ¯²¥Î®Õ¨®¬õ¥]¤§¦æ±¡ | ®Õªø­Ô¿ï¤H¬°¦ó¥u¦³¤@¤H? | §ë²¼µ²ªG¤½§i (1)...(4) ¹ï¤¤¤jªº¬Ýªk | ===== ¼Ð ÃD: Re: (¤¤¤j) «D¥D¬y? ===== ¾Üµ½©T°õªºÄw½X»P¥N»ù rev 85,3,5 ===== §ë²¼!¾÷±ñ¨t³Ì¦³¦a¦ìªº¤H ===== ¬°¤°»òª©¤W¦h¤F³o»ò¦h«Êªº.......... ©U§£!! ===== ±q¬P´Á¤»°±¹q¨Æ¥ó¬ÝBBSªº¯S©Ê ***** §Ú¤Ï¹ï¤j¤@¤j¤G¤£¤À¨t ***** others ===== ¼x¨D³s¸p(¬°¤F³\§Ó§»¡B³\ã¤ß¨Æ¥ó) ===== Re: ¥Í¤é¦³·P........ ¦Û¤OŪ§¹¤j¾Ç ===== ¦¿¤h¼Ð¦Ñ®v¦³ÃD¥Ø ¥i¥Hµ¹¤j¤T ¦P¾Ç§@´»´Á±MÃD ===== ¨D¤~ («æ) CAD ¾÷±ñ¹Ï ==== ¬Û«H§A¤]¬Ý¨ì¸ô¤W¨º­Ó"¤H§Î"¤F rev TLYeh 85,1,23 ===== computer center announcements 84,8,22 joe is updated to 2.8 Perl Language is updated to 5.01 Jove is updated to 4.16beta , config file in /usr/local/lib/jove/* New Ftp Utility in /usr/local/bin/ncftp version 2.1.0 Chinese much easier online help editor PICO in /usr/local/bin/pico Talk is linked to cytalk , rtin is linked to ctin-1.22 Lisp startup script in /usr/local/bin/lisp Xwindow system in /swap/X11R5/.... Programmer editor in /usr/local/bin/vim,help in /usr/local/lib/vim.hlp bash in /usr/local/bin screen 2.3.6 for modem users ,just test in sparc20 (because termcap) any suggestion and bugs reports are wellcome to center3@sparc20.ncu.edu.tw u3520887@sparc20.ncu.edu.tw ===== ¾÷¹q ¦Û°Ê¤Æ ¹ê§@ ³]­p ´N·~¨t¦CºtÁ¿ rev TLYeh 85,6,7 ¤j¤O±ÀÂˤj¾Ç³¡¦P¾Ç¨ÓÅ¥[¾÷¹q¦Û°Ê¤Æ..´N·~¨t¦CºtÁ¿ µo«H¤H: tlyeh@Evergreen (aliang), «H°Ï: NCUME ¼Ð ÃD: ¹ï¾÷¹q¾ã¦X¹ê°È(±qµL¨ì¦³)ªº¤uµ{³W¹º³]­p»P¹ê°È¦³¿³½ì µo«H¯¸: ¤¤¥¡¤j¾ÇªQÀÜ­·±¡¸ê°T¯¸ (Sat Jun 1 14:19:20 1996) §Ú­Ì½Ð¨ìÁp©|(¹q²k¾÷¦Û°Ê¤Æ¤uµ{)ªº·¨Á`¸g²z¦b ¶g¤G 14:00~15:30 ¾÷±ñÀ] µøÅ¥±Ð«ÇºtÁ¿, ½Ð¤j¾Ç³¡¤Î¬ã¨s©Ò¦³¿³½ìªº¦P¾Ç¨ÓÅ¥Á¿ (6/4) ºî¦X ¥øºÞ ¾÷±ñ ¹q¾÷ ªº¹ê°È¸gÅç, ¤×¨ä¬O¨u¨£ªº­Ó©Ê ¤@©w¦³½ì ¤£§N³õ ¹w§i: ¤U¤U¶g¤G(6/11) ½Ð¦P¤@¤½¥q¤§ ¾÷±ñ³]­p¤uµ{®v ±ä¸Ú Á¿¾÷±ñ³]­p¹ê§@ ±q¤j¾Ç²¦·~¨ì¤@­Ó³]­p®vªº¾i¦¨¸gÅç (ù°¨¤£¬O¤@¤Ñ³y¦¨ªº) --- ¾÷¹q ¦Û°Ê¤Æ ¹ê§@ ³]­p ´N·~¨t¦CºtÁ¿ (¤T¤§¤@) 85,6,4,14:00, ºtÁ¿: ½Æ¦X¦¡®É¥N: ¾÷¹q¾ã¦XÀ³¥Î, Á¿ªÌ: ·¨¶©©÷Á`¸g²z (Áp©|: ¦Û°Ê¤Æ¥ø·~, ¹q²k¨t²Î 3-469-4081) µù: ·¨Á`¸g²z ºë¤O©ô²± ¹ê°ÈÂ×´I ¯à¨¥µ½¹D. (µ´¹ï­È±o) ¥Á69 ªF®ü¥øºÞ²¦, sales:{«Ø«H ¥N²z ¤é¥» Nachi ¶b©Ó ¥H¤»­Ó¤ëªº®É¶¡±N¾ã­Ó«¬¿ý½¦¨¤¤¤å¨Ã­I¼ô ²{¦b°µ³]­pÁÙ¬O«Ü¦³¥Î| ¹Å¦ù¥ø·~, 5-6¦~ ¥N²z Panasonic ¹q²k¾÷¤Î¨ä robot}, ³Ð·~{ôóëù 3-4¦~, ²k±µ¦Û°Ê¤Æ³]³Æ> ¸gÀç§xÃø ³Q Áp²»(¹q²k³]³Æ 30¦~) ¦X¨Ö>Áp©| ¥Ø«e¤w¥|¦~, ¥D­n¬O Miller & Hobart ªº²k±µ³]³Æ} --- ¾÷¹q ¦Û°Ê¤Æ ¹ê§@ ³]­p ´N·~¨t¦CºtÁ¿ (¤T¤§¤G) 85,6,11, 14:00, ºtÁ¿: ¦Û°Ê¤Æ²£·~ªº¾÷±ñ³]­p, Á¿ªÌ: ±ä¸Ú ¬ãµo³¡ ¾÷±ñ³]­p½Ò½Òªø (Áp©|: ¦Û°Ê¤Æ¥ø·~, ¹q²k¨t²Î 3-469-4081) [¤@­Ó¤j¾Ç¾÷±ñ¨t²¦·~¥Í «ç»ò¦¨ªø¬° ¤@­Ó¤uµ{³]­p¤H¤~] [¦Û°Ê¤Æ²£·~À³¥Î¤¤ ¾÷±ñ³]­p¯S®íªº¦Ò¶q] ¥Á74 ³{¥Ò¾÷±ñ¨t²¦, ¥Á76:¥x´I¤uµ{ À£¤O®e¾¹³]­p, ¥Á79 ¥D¦t¾÷±ñ ¥]¸Ë¾÷³]­p:»q¥] ¶}²°, ¥Á82 Áp©|: ¾÷±ñ³]­p, ¬ãµo³¡¥t¦³ ¨t²Î½ÒºÞ ¹q¾÷ ±±¨î¾¹ DCS ºô¸ô. --- ¾÷¹q ¦Û°Ê¤Æ ¹ê§@ ³]­p ´N·~¨t¦CºtÁ¿ (¤T¤§¤T) 85,6,18, 14:00, ºtÁ¿: ¹q¤l²£·~¾÷¾¹¤H - ¥Í²P³W¹º ¨D¾ ²£«~¶}µo­pµe¤§°õ¦æ, Á¿ªÌ: ´¿¤åºþ ¦Û°Ê¤Æ¤uµ{®v ¤¤¥¡¾÷±ñ®Õ¤Í (¥x¹F¹q¤l: ¦Û°Ê¤Æ¤uµ{³¡, ¹q¤l²£·~±M¥Î¾÷³]­p¶}µo, 3-452-6107 x525~6) [«ç»ò¼Ë§ä¨ì¦Û¤v¦b´N·~¥«³õ¤Wªº©w¦ì, ¬°¤°»ò§Ú·|©¯¹Bªº, ¨D¾3¦¸, ±o¨ì3­Ó¤£¿ùªº offers; §Ú¬°¤°»ò­n´«¤u§@, ¤½¥qªº¤å¤Æ; ¾·~ªº¹D¼w - ¦n»E¦n´²; ¦Û°Ê¤Æ¤uµ{®vªº¥Í²P - ªá¿ú¨Æ¤p ­Y¬O³y¦¨«á±w ¨C­Ó¤ë¥i¥H³y¦¨¼Æ»õ¤¸ªº·l¥¢!] ¥Á80 ¤¤¥¡ ¾÷±ñ ²¦, 82,6 ¥Ã¤j¹q¾÷ (¦P®É¦³ ªQ¤U¹q¤l ªº offer), 84,2 ¥x¹F¹q¤l ***** students comments ===== ¤j¾Ç¸Ì¦Ñ®v/±Ð±Âªº©w¦ì rev 85,7,3 ---- §@ªÌ mimo@totoro (mimo), «H°Ï NCUME ¼ÐÃD ©ñ°²°Õ¡IÁöµM¤j®a³£¦^¥h¤F§ÚÁÙ¬O­n»¡ ¨Ó·½ ¤¤¥¡¸êºÞÀs¿ß¸ê°T¯¸ (Mon Jul 1 16:28:35 1996) §@¹ú¹À.... ­ü³o¨Ç°ÝÃD¹À... ¤S¤£¬O¤@´Â¤@¤iªº¨Æ ¨t¤W¾Ç¥Í§@¹ú­·®ð¤§²± ¬Ý±Ð«Ç«á­±ªº¦ì¤l¦h¼öªù­n¦b¦Ò«e¦h¤[¥h¥e´Nª¾¹D¤F°Õ! ¬°¤°»ò·|³o¼Ë©O? 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There are 2 HP brand HDs at 308. The original host of the HDs is jclo.me but it is in history. I think the interface of the HDs is SCSI I. 2. Don't maintain these workstation via network. Recently, I have heard that some program ,like tcpdump can catch password from network. The safe way to maintain them is from console or via rs232 port. 3. Configuration of Network Adapter in 308 PCs. IRQ=5 /* LPT2 */ If the network adapter can use NE2000.EXE as its package driver, we can change it. Because 3C503 and WD8003E driver need a block of shared ram. 4. What the role will MEPC novell file server be? I have a idea on Novell Server. Maybe we can backup basic part (like Windows, tools, etc.) of HDs in 308. on Novell Server. If these HDs is attacted by virus, it can be easily restored from Server. 5. Rirus attacting HD in 308 PC may be a problem. ---------- ~s a suggestion by June ~c biau c: faculties: biau yen-ren lo Chairman ?whoelse? This is an excellent idea. This will really lead to the "dream" by Prof. Jiang, Shy-Biau to form a Do-It-Yourself (DIY) club which will specialize not only software and computer stuff, but also hardware and mechatronics. I would suggest that we get together to talk about it. We should involve interested faculties and most importantly the several activist/experts students in the dept on this subject. Meanwhile, i would also appreciate if you can find out what the computer center is going to offer and their schedule. If we can carry out our series in accordance with the computer center courses, we get better leverage. I would also suggest that we include a lecture on www usage and installation. i believe that the Super Stupid kid can help out. I intend to use www as the system to distribute our course materials on-line. 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Check the end of this mail for the list of e-mails of several persons you are looking for. I have YangChiMing's residence Phone number some where in my office, but not in my office. I will get it for you later. I am really in a big mess recently. I should have talked to you about your proposal. I still cannot sit down to do that now. I talked to several profs who are interested in your proposal. They all like it and willing to let you use class room or computer room for your purpose. I mentioned that your lecture series perhaps should wait for the under grad freshmen to come in. Prof Jeng,Ching-Shou cautioned that you should arrange your lecture series so that you may have very introductory ones for freshmen so that they do not get discouraged like what i did to you guys, and other more advanced lecture series for the rest of students. I would suggest that in each of your lecture, you make up some homework assignments for the audience to try out. E2-308 should be available during day time for general try out (before the course for freshmen begins). Currently E2-308 is reserved for ME267 during Tu-F, and sometimes M if there is vacation falling on one of Tu-F. I would also suggest that you make all your lecture materials available on-line, e.g. on WWW server. I would suggest that you broadcast the news on network. And caution the public to watch for more ads in the future. I would also post your announcement in the department office for interested Professors. By The Way (BTW), mesun 140.115.65.25 is up, we have PC-NFS trial installed, we do get the manual for PC-NFS, but we do not have any manual for SUN OS (I have squeezed the sales to make a copy for us). We need to figure out the way to us PC-NFS and install WWW for all participants to start to be able to contribute to the on-line materials. aliang cc: ShiuJingYuang t3300174@ncu865.ncu.edu.tw RyoGuanNeng t3300177@ncu865.ncu.edu.tw WuShiaoKungs s3322064@ncu865.ncu.edu.tw YangDungBo s3322065@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw HsuWeiLun s3322067@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw ChangWeiNing s3032090@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw JengJiFung s3032093@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw LuoFaSeng saint@me720.me.ncu.edu.tw KuoYaHui s3032102@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw LeeHsienZen s3032100@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw JengYuYao s3032092@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw YangChiMing s3032097@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw ShiaoSongYin u331681@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw LeeYungYi u330633@sparc12.ncu.edu.tw WuTienJeng u330683@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw LinYueHsien u331700@sparc20.ncu.edu.tw ChenYuWu u3320745@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw JiangJiehJune u331698@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw ---- 83,10,6 # Chang1,Wei2-Ning2±iºûÚ¬ s3032090@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw 3-490-5237,-5776 x2203 # Yang,Chi2-Ming2·¨±Ò©ú s3032097@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw, 3-490-5633x212 # Luo2,Fa3-Seng4ùªk¸t s3032082@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw saint@me720.me.ncu.edu.tw, E2-214R x4373 aliang p.s. would you consider including the cautions and measures against PC virus in your seminar series, perhaps even including repair from virus attack, and some suggestions on which where to get the virus programs and the updates of the virus figer print files. ---- mea_comp.txt ME Student Association Computer Seminar Series rev TLYeh 83,10,13 the following is the high lights of the seminar saint gave me. you can use it as your announcement to be posted to news groups on both bbs and Unix news. But remenber to add information on time and location. 83,10,18 ¹q¸£·§½× ùªk¸t saint@me720.me.ncu.edu.tw 1. ºü½×: ¾ú¥v, ¬[ºc, °_·½(AI), ºØÃþ:{·L PC, °g§A WS, ¥D¾÷ server, ¶W¯Å super}µ¥«¬¦¡ªº¹q¸£ 2. ¹q¸£µwÅé - PC ¬°¥D 3. ¹q¸£³nÅé - OS, ®M¸Ë³nÅé, µ{¦¡»y¨¥ 4. ¹q¸£ºô¸ô - TELNET, FTP, Novell, E-Mail, BBS, WWW, Gopher, ºô¸ôªº«O¥þ ¤Î ¯f¬r°ÝÃD 5. ¥¼¨Óªº»·´º - ²Ä¤­¥Nªº¹q¸£ (KIPS) ----- ¥t§d«TçզѮvx4335 t330020@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw offer ¥i¥H ¦b¼Æ¾Úø¹Ïªº³nÅé ¤Î ¼v¹³³B²z ¤è­±´£¨Ñ¸ê®Æ. ½Ð»P¥LÁpµ¸ ¨Ã§i¶D¥L±z­Ìı±o«ç¼Ëªº¤º®e¤ñ¸û«ê·í. ~c TsengChingShiou jcwu JiangJiehJune LuoFaSeng LeeYungYi alias TsengChingShiou t330010@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw alias jcwu t330020@[140.115.17.111] alias JiangJiehJune u331698@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw alias LuoFaSeng saint@me720.me.ncu.edu.tw alias LeeYungYi u330633@sparc12.ncu.edu.tw --- ¥Ø«e¤w½T©w¶}½Ò®É¶¡¬O¤U¶g¤G(10/18) ±ß¤W7:00,¦aÂI¬O308¹q¸£±Ð«Ç¡C --- From NCUME.bbs@bbs.im.mgt.ncu.edu.tw Tue Oct 18 18:01:57 1994 To: t330017@sparc10.ncu.edu.tw **¹w©w¦w±Æ¤§¨t¦C½Òµ{: ¨t¦C¤§¤@:¹q¸£·§½×. ¤§¤G:®Õ¶éºô¸ô²¤¶,´£¨Ñºô¸ô°ò¥»·§©À;¥H¤Î»{ÃÑNOVELLÀô¹Ò. ¤§¤T:WINDOWS ¨Ï¥Î²¤¶. ¤§¥|:¾Ç³Nºô¸ô¤¶²Ð,°£Â²©ö¤§UNIX«ü¥O¨Ï¥Î,¥[¥H FTP,ARCHIE, BBS,E-MAIL,OPAC... ¤§¤­:¹q¸£µwÅé¬[ºc¤§¤¶²Ð. ¤§¤»:µ{¦¡»y¨¥. ¤§¤C:¤å®Ñ³B²z. ¤§¤K:¹q¸£Ã¸¹Ï. ¤§¤E:¦h´CÅé. ¤§¤Q:¹q¸£¯f¬r. --- I saw the course listing you posted on NCUME. 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Tseng" t330010@sparc20 Fri Oct 14 16:40:50 1994 Only 15% of freshmen have 'touched' PCs before and most of the 15% students have only some wordprocessing experience only. They even do not know what are software, hardware, os, printer,..etc. You can say they know nothing about computers. I wonder how freshmen can learn Fortran and C in the first semester. They need very basic knowledge about computers. Ching Shiow 10/14/94 ---- reply The argument was that "­p·§" as the course title does not have any mandate on the contents and depth of the course, therefore, we came down with the specific title "computer programming". We feel it is of necesity to mandate the contents and depth of the "¦@¦P¥²­×½Ò", because all other courses rely on the foudations. That means after this course, the students should know how to do computer programming (though may not be an expert). The course should bear enough credits and hours so that the teacher can introduce the computer enough for the students to start to do programming. One of the basic driving guide lines in this new plan of courses is to Under the same reason, we specify "¥ú¹qºÏª«²z" instead of "´¶ª«". lump courses logically. Therefore, we thought it is logical to lump the "introduction of computer" together with "programming". This way, it is a sequence under the control of one teacher rather than having two courses, two sets of exams and many overlaps between different teachers teaching different courses. From this aspect, operhaps, it is necessary to ask that the "Programming" be assigned 4 credit units instead of 3. What do you think? ---- In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with "Introduction of Computers" course. The possible problem is what to be taught in this course. The basic knowledge of computers is not limited to programming only. Students should learn broad concepts about computer hardware, software and its application including word processing, network, communication, control, graphics, mathematics, etc. Also, students need time to learn how to use computers. Programming is important, but knowing how computers deal with programs is still important. The other thing to be discussed is what language should be taught. Ching Shiow 10/18/94 ----- reply In discussing what should be in the mandatory basic courses, we were trying to include only those necessary for other courses to build on. WP, NET, those things are important for modern students to be efficient, but we did not get the concensus that these are necessarily mandatory. Therefore, we thought it would be ok to offer "computer applications" in the 2nd semester of the freshman year to cover those things. And this course would be selective. What do you think? Since the Dept's Student Assoc ¨t¾Ç·| is interested in offering a series of lectures in these area, perhaps, we can coordinate these student activities as extra-carriculums. ----- From t330010@sparc12 Tue Oct 18 20:48:15 1994 Sender: "Ching S. Tseng" We can not rely on the contribution of students. We do not know what and how far the computer seminar will go. To let students know what computers can do is our obligation, not students themselves. It is difficult to have consensus about course contents. For example, what should be taught in the Graphics course and should thermodynamics be a required or selective course? Since there is a computer programming course in this semester, we will see how good those students can learn. ----- reply In the next teaching committee meeting, I will bring up your concerns that 1. w/o some more extended introductory on computer architecture and applications, the teaching of programming will be difficult, 2. more extended introduction on computer architecture and applications should also be the contents of the mandatory course. Are these points a good summary of your concerns? Would it be sufficient to make the programming course a 4 credit course, and perhaps shift it from 1st semester to the 2nd semester leaving the students some time to pick up the basic skills by the selective "computer applications" course? Or, would you feel it is necessary to make another introductory computer course mandatory in the 1st semester of the freshman year and the programming the 2nd computer course in the 2nd semester of the freshman year? ----- From Postmaster@h118.ncu.edu.tw Fri Oct 21 07:00:59 1994 Cc: t330010@sparc20 I would suggest to have 'Introduction of Computers' in the first semester. What should be taught includes 1. What are computers? what can computers do? How do computers work? 2. Hardware (Inside of the computer and periphery) and software (OS, Code, Language, AP) 3. Learn how to use PC and Unix system computers 4. practice wordprocessor, network 5. Others: Data Structure and Data Base <= good for programming Communication (DI/DO, RS232C), ... All above should take two credits. It can be three credits to include primary of programming. But it seems not good to separate programming into two semesters. Since most freshmen are new to the university, they have lots of activities to join and lots of things to learn. Moreover, there are only three months in the first semester. I will not expect too much from them. As to the second semester, we should teach computer programming (what languages?) including of learning to use MATLAB. This course should take three credits. Computer Drafting (AutoCAD) should be left to Graphics or Mechanical Drawing courses. I do not know what 'computer applications' course covers. No comment on it. All above are my personal opinion coming from my teaching experience. They are only suggestions to the teaching committee. Nothing more. ===== Unix script to do FTP from Archie host automatically From shiou@sparc41.dd.ncu.edu.tw Thu Mar 9 23:38:54 1995 Subject: Unix script to do FTP from Archie host automatically Here is a easy script which I write. I am not sure if it is useful to you and your students. I write it just for fun. Maybe you can try to run it and give me some suggests and tell me what bug it has. I will keep modifying it. There are two files: ftp.sh and awk.ftp. ftp.sh is a unix sh script file for SunOS 4.*. You need to execute chmod +x ftp.sh to allow its execution. The second file I send is awk.ftp which is to work with ftp.sh. SongYin Shiou The listing of the two files follow: ### ftp.sh #### #!/bin/sh # ******************* Auto FTP Script . V1.3 Beta ********************* # This script is a easy one, but it includes archie client and ftp program # . This script works on sh shell and if you use SunOS 4.*, then it maybe # work well. # chmod +x and put awk.ftp script in the same directory with # this file. Then rum is okay. # If you have any suggest, please email to shiou@sparc41.dd.ncu.edu.tw # SongYin Shiou in Computer Center of N.C.U. Taiwan R.O.C. # Last modify on 3/8 # ********************************************************************* # ===================================================================== # # Scrpit: ftp.sh # # Writer: SongYin Shiou Computer Center of N.C.U. Taiwan, R.O.C.# # Date : 1995/3/6 # # Update: 1995/3/8 # # OS : SunOS 4.1.* /bin/sh # # ===================================================================== # DefaultArchieServer=archie.edu.tw NCTUArchieServer=nctuccca.edu.tw PWD=${PWD:-`pwd`} WHEREISARCHIE=/usr/bin #echo "Please Input the Dir./Archie path/filename" #read PATHFILE; # PATHFILE=/usr/bin/archie echo "Please Input the file you want to search" read FILE; # Check Your Archie File PATHFILE=/usr/bin/archie if [ -f /usr/bin/archie ]; then echo "Archie file found .... continue" ; else echo "Input the full path of your archie file"; echo "Or input ftp to get the archie file back"; read WHEREISARCHIE ; fi if (test $WHEREISARCHIE = "ftp") then if [ -f $HOME/.netrc ]; then mv $HOME/.netrc $HOME/.netrcback fi echo "machine www.ncu.edu.tw login anonymous password anonymous@ftp.scpt" >> $HOME/.netrc ; chmod 700 $HOME/.netrc ftp www.ncu.edu.tw << !ftp cd pub binary get archie bye !ftp chmod +x ./archie ; if [ -f $HOME/.netrcback ] ; then mv -f $HOME/.netrcback $HOME/.netrc fi PATHFILE=$HOME/archie ; else PATHFILE=$WHEREISARCHIE/archie fi # Get the Host of FTP Site and Directory rm -f log.awk $PATHFILE -c -e -m1 -h $DefaultArchieServer $FILE | awk -f awk.ftp >> log.awk HOST=`sed -n 1p log.awk` if ( test $HOST = "NoSuchFile" ) then echo "The file you input is not found in this archie server" else DIR=`sed -n 3p log.awk` fi # Edit the .netrc for AutoFTP action if [ -f $HOME/.netrc ]; then { mv $HOME/.netrc $HOME/.netrcftp ; echo "machine $HOST login anonymous password anonymous@ftp.script" >>OME/.netrc ; chmod 700 $HOME/.netrc } else { echo "machine $HOST login anonymous password anonymous@ftp.script" >>OME/.netrc ; chmod 700 $HOME/.netrc } fi # Start FTP Action to get file back if ( test $HOST = "NoSuchFile" ) then echo "Let's stop it " else ftp $HOST << ! cd $DIR binary get $FILE bye ! fi # Show the file , and Clean the LOG if ( test $HOST = "NoSuchFile" ) then echo "clean log finished" else ls -al $FILE fi rm log.awk ; if [ -f $HOME/.netrcftp ]; then mv -f $HOME/.netrcftp $HOME/.netrc fi echo "Script finish " #### awk.ftp #### BEGIN { host = "" dir = "" } { if (NF == 0) { } else if ($1 == "Host") { if (host != "") printf "\n" host = $2 if (!hostlist[host]) { hostlist[host]=1 HC++ } printf "%s", host print "\n" } else if ($1 == "Location:") { dir = $2 DC++ printf "%s", dir print "\n" } else if ($0 =="No matches.") { print "NoSuchFile" print "\n" } } END { } ==== ±Ð±Â¡A¤£®»§@¹ú´N¤£­n·í¤H¡I 84,12,29 85,6,25 µo«H¤H: secretID.bbs@bbs.mgt.ncu (secret), «H°Ï: NCUME ¼Ð ÃD: ±Ð±Â¡A¤£®»§@¹ú´N¤£­n·í¤H¡I¡I¡I µo«H¯¸: ¤¤¥¡¸êºÞÀs¿ß¸ê°T¤Ñ¦a (Thu Dec 21 01:55:01 1995) Âà«H¯¸: Evergreen!ncubbsroute!totoro ¦b¾÷±ñ¨t³o»ò¤[¤F ¨C¦¸¦Ò¸Õ´N¦³¤@°ï¤H¨Æ¥ý¥h¦û¦ì¤l¡A ¦Ò§¹¤F¡A¤À¦Ò¨÷¤F¡A´Á¥½¦Ò¤S¬O¤@°ï¤H·í¤F¡A ·Q¨ì¦pªG¤j®a³£¬O¤½¥­¦Òªº¸Ü¡A¤]³\§Ú¤S¥i¥H¹L¤@¬ì¤F¡I ¤@·Q¨ì§Ú´N«Ü¤£²n¡I±Ð±Â­Ì¾ÌÔ£·í§Ú­Ì°Ú¡H§Ú­Ì¤ñ¸û²V¡H ¥i¬O¨º¨Ç§@¹úªº©O¡H ¦pªG­n¾a¦Ò¸Õ¦¨ÁZ·í¤Hªº¸Ü¡A¨º¬Oµ´¹ï¤£¤½¥­ªº¡I¡I¡I¡I °£«D¬O¤@¨Ç®»§@¹ú®»ªº«ÜÄYªº½Ò¡D ¦³®É«Ü«ë¦Û¤v¡A¬°¦ó¤£ÀHªi³v¬y¡A¸ò¤j®a§@¹úºâ¤F¡A´N¤£¥Î¥h¸ò¾Ç§Ì­Ì­«­×¤F¡I­ü¡D¡D¡D ---- µo«H¤H: silverfox.bbs@bbs.ee.ncu (¢F§Ú­n³Q¯NÅF¤F°Õ¢F), «H°Ï: NCUME >==>µo«H¤H: ken.bbs@bbs.mgt.ncu (¤[¤[¤~°O©pªº¦n), «H°Ï: NCUME > §ÚÂÐij!! ¡¯¡¯¡¯¡¯ ¡@¡@¡@¡@ÂÐij¦³¥Î¶Ü???? ­ü...... ­ü...... §Ú²{¦b¥u´Á±æ¤£­n¦]¬°¨S¦³§@¹ú¦Ó³Q¤G¤@¤F...... ¯u¥LXXªº...... §Ú¤w¸g¤Ñ¤Ñªw¹Ï®ÑÀ]¤F......«ç»ò³o¼Ë¹ï«Ý§Ú...... ¥u¯à©Ó»{¦Û¤v¸ê½è®t......­ü......§Ú»{¤F...... ¦Ò¤F¤S¦Òªº ¤p¤p»Èª° ---- µo«H¤H: jinjang@totoro (Ãø±o), «H°Ï: NCUME §Aª¾¹D¶Ü¡H³o¬O¾÷±ñ¨tªº²ßºD¡A¤]¥i¥H»¡¬O¤¤¥¡ªº²ßºD¡A·Q·Q¤j¤Gªº®É­Ô¡A ¸ò§A¤@¼Ë¤£¥­¡A«á¨Ó§Ú¤]¸òµÛ°µ°Õ¡A´N³o¼Ë¡A¤@¦~¤£¦p¤@¦~¡A¤å¾Ì¬O®³¨ì¤F¡A ¦ý¦Û¤v¸ò©U§£®t¤£¤F¦h¤Ö¡A¤W¤F¬ã¨s©Ò¡A¸ò¨ä¥Lªº¨p¥ß¾Ç®Õ¤ñ°_¨Ó¡A¹ê¤O´N ®t¤F¦n¦h¡A§Ú¸Ó«ç»ò»¡©O¡H¨ä¹ê¸Ó©Çªº¤Ó¦h¤F¡A¦ý¬O¦Û¤vªº³d¥ô³Ì¤j¡A§Ú»¡¯uªº¡A§A¸Ó¦¨´N¤°»ò¼Ëªº¨Æ·~¡A§A¸Óª¾¹D«ç»ò°µ¤~¬O¡A§A»¡©O¡H ---- µo«H¤H: lgl.bbs@bbs.ee.ncu (³À¤H), «H°Ï: NCUME ¾Ç¥Í§@¹ú´N¦n¹³¬F©²³g¦Ã¤@¼Ë!¨¾¤£³Ó¨¾!¥Ã»·ªý¤î¤£¤F! ·íµM¦pªG¨Ï¥Î·¥ºÝªº¤â¬q©Î³\¥i¥H­°§C§@¹ú²v!! ¹³¤¤­ì¥N¦Ò³Q§ì¨ì........¨â­Ó³£³Q°h¾Ç!!! ¤¸´¼ªº±öªá®y!!! ·íµM¦³¨Ç§@ªk¤Ó·¥ºÝ¤F!´N¦n¹³ÃhºÃ¨C­Ó¾Ç¥Í³£«Ü·|§@¹ú¤@¼Ë! ¦³ÂI¤£¤H¹D! µL½×¦p¦ó! ¯¬§A­Ì¸t½Ï¸`§Ö¼Ö!! -- Âk¯uªð¿\ÁÙ¥»¦â¡A ¤Ñ¾÷¦Û¦b¨£¯u§Ú¡A ¤£¬¡¦Ó¬¡¬¡¼â¼â¡A ¦ü¯º«D¯º¯º²æ²æ¡C ---- µo«H¤H: nitroblood@totoro (ÀH½t), «H°Ï: NCUME §Úı±o¾Ç±o¨ìªF¦è¤~¬O¤ñ¸û­«­nªº§a... ¥L­Ì§@¹ú¬O¥L­Ìªº¨Æ..§A¦Û¤v§V¤O´N¦n ...¨S¦³¥²­n¦Û«è¦Û¦ã.... -- if we could change it back again .... ---- µo«H¤H: ken.bbs@bbs.mgt.ncu (¤[¤[¤~°O©pªº¦n) (Thu Dec 21 19:09:15 1995) ÂÐij·íµM¨S¦³¥Î,¨Æ¹ê¤W§Ú®Ú¥»¤£¬Û«HBBSªº®Ä¥Î...Ãi±o¥´¤F ---- µo«H¤H: esso.bbs@fireball.pine.ncu (ªü§Ó), ¤ô¥@¬É (Thu Dec 21 19:58:39 1995) ¡i ¦b TATSUYA@WaterWorld (¬ðµM·Q¿y¦ì°µ¯¸ªøªº¤p§Å) ªº¤j§@¤¤´£¨ì: ¡j : ·|¶Ü? ¨º¬O§Ú­Ì¯Zªº¦Ñ®v¤ñ¸û¦³¦bª`·Nbbs¤Wªº¨Æ³á : ¤µ¤Ñ§Ú§Ú­Ì¾÷°Ê¦Ñ®v´N,¥ß¨è»¡¤F³o¥ó¨Æ­ù.... 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I am studying in Carnegie Mellon University. Could you tell me about things to be careful while studying abroad? : Did you just arrive there? There are so many things to talk about. Can you be more specific? I was very happy to receive your message. I just arrived USA on July 22. The major of my field or I think to say the field I am interested in is control and robotics. You know I got the admission with assignment a research advisor by the department cause they said that if I wish to end my education after master of science degree, I have better to do project from master education, so I got the "master of science/project option" admission But, after I met the professor, i knew that his major is vibration control. I wonder if it is proper to start the project with no idea at all. Because I didn't take any courses in vibration when I was in NCU ME. I would like to ask you if it is proper to ask for change the advisor ? You know maybe it was the professor to pick me up during the application process, so I wondered if it is proper to do this decision. I wanna to listen to your opinion, thank you! ---- replied 8,17 There are two aspects to your puzzle: (1) the personality of the professor and the atmosphere around, (2) whether vibration control is really not valuable to your career goal. (1) whether is "proper" to switch advisor, the political aspects: You have to check around to find out the personality of the professor a. whether he would turn nasty or hold gruge against you, b. whether he is good in his field, c. whether he has funding to do research or even to pay his student, d. whether he would let his students graduate reasonably without holding slaves e. whether he does help out his students in job hunting in short whether he is energetic and decent! (2) whether the prof's expertise is not valuable to your wished career so that you have to switch: Robotics in its narrow sense has been over sold in the real world. You should broaden your view to cover "any specialized machine/mechanism for manufacturing automation". Of cause, high speed, high precision and high durability adds to its value and in turn your marketablity. Examples are semi conductor wafer handling mechanism, polishing mechanism, packaging machine in battery manufacturing, ... In this sense, if you can capture: {mechanism design for precision and speed, structure design for strength, precision (compactness) and durability (lubrication), mechatronics interfaces for man machine interfaces, automatic and distributed controls} then you are prepared for the job market. So, the understanding of the vibration phenomena and its controls is a key towards precision and durability. Of cause when you learn these things you have to learn in a broader sense in order to be able to apply the knowledge in your design in general. One professor cannot teach you all that, you have to collect and plan on the courses to take in order to prepare you for a job. You also have to find good guys around to be your masters in many fields. If the professor has some project in which you would be able to / be required to have several things of different flavors/disciplines to come together. That would be a good one to take on, because it would lead you thru a learning process pooling scattered pieces together. You just have to "dig out what you need and learn it quickly" in order to work out the project. After that, you will become a seasoned engineer, not because you know everything (of cause rather a lot, at least comparable to your competitors on the market), but because that you had the experience to dig and solve, and, perhaps, you learned how to dig and solve and has the courage to face challenges. I am also trying to contact a friend who might be a CMU graduate and Prof Jiang,Shyh-Biau to see whether they can give you some further comments. ~c Tsai4Ping2-Ho2 biaucaltech me ---- From tlyeh@mail Sat Aug 17 11:49:34 1996 one other thing: i feel funny that they would "assign" you a "research" advisor if you did not receive the admission with a Research Assistantship. Usually the department assign an academic advisor who is just advising you on which courses to take and the departmental regulations first. And you have to talk to the professors you are interested in in order to find a research advisor who will guide you thru your research project. If they did offer you an RA, and the RA was offered by a particular professor, then you sort of accepted the offer to work with him. Otherwise, this professor should not expect that you would do project with him. Of cause, every place has its ways of doing things. 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