From Birdman (Freaky Bird), «H°Ï: MeNetManager (Tue Apr 16 21:08:24 2002) Subject: The Evolution of Objects -- ¤£¿ùªºOO¤å³¹ µo«H¯¸: ¤¤¥¡¾÷±ñ¯Â¯u¦~¥N (Tue Apr 16 21:08:24 2002) Status: RO ³o½g¤å³¹­ì¥J©óMSJ 1998, Don Box ¤¶²Ð¤F OO ³o¤@­Ó·§©À¦bªñ¥NProgramming¤¤ªººt¤Æ ¥i¥H¤À¦¨3­Ó¼h¦¸ 1. Class-based development 2. Interface-based development 3. State-conscious development ³o¤£¥u¬Oµ{¦¡³]­pªºÆ[©ÀªºÅܤÆ,¤]¬O¾ã­Ó³nÅé¶}µoªººt¶i ³o½g¤å³¹«Ü¬O§@¬°¤@­Óª«¥ó¾É¦Vªºoverview ! Birdman ps;¦bEssential COM¤@®Ñªºªþ¿ýA,¤¤¦³¥»¤åªº§¹¾ãª© -------------------------- THE THIRD WAVE ¡@ Don Box ¡@ MTS represents a new programming model for building distributed, object-oriented applications. To understand how MTS extends the traditional object-oriented paradigm, it is useful to retrace the evolution of object-orientation over the past decade. Object-oriented software development achieved widespread commercial acceptance in the late 1980s. The hallmark of object-orientation at that time was the use of classes, which allowed developers to model state and behavior as a single unit of abstraction. This bundling of state and behavior helped enforce modularity through the use of encapsulation. In classic object-orientation, objects belonged to classes and clients manipulated objects via class-based references. This is the programming model implied by most C++ and SmallTalk environments and libraries of the era. While it had been possible to achieve many of the benefits of classes using procedural-based languages through the use of disciplined programming styles, widespread acceptance of object-oriented software development did not happen until there was explicit support for object-orientation from tool and language vendors. Environments that were pivotal to the success of object-orientation include Apple's MacApp framework based on Object Pascal, the early ParcPlace and Digitalk SmallTalk environments, and Borland's Turbo C++. One of the benefits of development environments that support object-orientation was the ability to use polymorphism to treat groups of similar objects as if they were all type-compatible with one another. To support polymorphism, object-orientation introduced the notion of inheritance and dynamic binding, which allowed similar classes to be explicitly grouped into collections of related abstractions. Consider the following very simple C++ class hierarchy: class Dog { public: virtual void Bark(void); }; class Pug : public Dog { public: virtual void Bark(void); }; class Collie : public Dog { public: virtual void Bark(void); }; Because the classes Collie and Pug are both type-compatible with class Dog, clients can write generic code as follows: void BarkLikeADog(Dog& rdog) { rdog.Bark(); } Since the Bark method is virtual and bound dynamically, the method-dispatching machinery of C++ ensures that the correct code is executed. This means that the BarkLikeADog function does not rely on the precise type of the referenced object, only that it is type-compatible with Dog. This example could easily be recast in any number of programming languages that support object-oriented programming. The class hierarchy I just described typifies the techniques that were practiced during the first wave of object-oriented development. One characteristic that dominated this first wave was the use of implementation inheritance. Implementation inheritance is a powerful programming technique when used in a disciplined fashion. However, when misused, the resultant type hierarchy can exhibit undue coupling between the base class and the derived class. One common aspect of this coupling is that it is often unclear whether the base class implementation of a method must be called from a derived class's version. For example, consider the Pug class's implementation of Bark: void Pug::Bark(void) { this->BreathIn(); this->ConstrictVocalChords(); this->BreathOut(); } What happens if the underlying Dog class's implementation of Bark is not called, as is the case in this code fragment? Perhaps the base class method records the number of times that a particular dog barks for later use. If this is the case, the Pug class has violated that part of the underlying Dog implementation class. To use implementation inheritance properly, a nontrivial amount of internal knowledge is required to maintain the integrity of the underlying base class. This amount of detailed knowledge exceeds the level needed to simply be a client of the base class. For this reason, implementation inheritance is often viewed as white-box reuse. One approach to object-orientation that reduces excessive type system coupling while retaining the benefits of polymorphism is to only inherit type signatures, not implementation code. This is the fundamental principle behind interface-based development, which can be viewed as the second wave of object-orientation. Interface-based programming is a refinement of classical object-orientation. It assumes that inheritance is primarily a mechanism for expressing type relationships, not implementation hierarchies. Interface-based development is built on the principle of separation of interface from implementation. In interface-based development, interfaces and implementations are two distinct concepts. Interfaces model the abstract requests that can be made of an object. Implementations model concrete instantiable types that can support one or more interfaces. While it had been possible to achieve many of the benefits of interface-based development using traditional first-wave environments and disciplined programming styles, widespread acceptance of interface-based development did not happen until there was explicit support from tool and language vendors. Environments that were pivotal to the success of interface-based development include Microsoft's COM, Iona's Orbix Object Request Broker environment, and Java's explicit support for interface-based development. One of the key benefits of using an environment that supported interface-based development was the ability to model the "what" and the "how" of an object as two distinct concepts. Consider the following very simple Java type hierarchy: interface IDog { public void Bark( ); }; class Pug implements IDog { public void Bark( ) { ... } }; class Collie implements IDog { public void Bark( ) { ... } }; Because the classes Collie and Pug are both type-compatible with interface IDog, clients can write generic code as follows: void BarkLikeADog(IDog dog) { dog.Bark(); } >From the client's perspective, this type hierarchy is virtually identical to the previous C++-based example. However, because the IDog interface's Bark method cannot have an implementation, there is no coupling between the IDog interface definition and the Pug or Collie classes. While this implies that Pug and Collie each have to fully define their own notion of what it means to bark, the Pug and Collie implementers do not need to wonder what side-effects their derived classes will impose on the underlying IDog base type. One striking similarity between the first and second waves is that each could be characterized by a simple concept (class and interface, respectively). In both cases, it was not the concept itself that acted as the catalyst for success, but instead one or more key environments were required to spark the interest of the software development industry at large. An interesting aspect of second-wave systems is that the implementation is viewed as a black box¡Xthat is, all implementation details are considered opaque to the clients of an object. Often, when developers begin to use interface-based technologies such as COM, the degree of freedom afforded by this opacity is ignored, causing novice developers to view the relationship between interface, implementation, and object fairly simplistically. This often results in designs in which the state of an object winds up being very tightly coupled to the COM aspects of the object (its virtual function pointers). While advanced programming techniques such as tearoffs and flyweights can be used to more effectively manage state in complex object hierarchies, these techniques are not formally part of the COM programming model, but instead have evolved as de facto techniques of the COM development community. When applying COM to distributed application development, additional state management issues arise, including distributed error recovery, concurrency management, load balancing, and data consistency. Unfortunately, COM is ignorant of how an object manages its state, so there is little that COM can do to address these issues. While it is possible for developers to concoct their own schemes for dealing with state management, there are clear benefits in having a common infrastructure for developing objects in a state-conscious manner. MTS is one such infrastructure. The COM programming model extended the traditional object-oriented programming model by forcing developers to be conscious of the relationship between interface and implementation. The MTS programming model extends the COM programming model by forcing developers to also be conscious of the relationship between state and behavior. The fundamental principle of MTS is that an object may be logically modeled as state and behavior, but its physical implementation needs to distinguish the two explicitly. By explicitly allowing MTS to manage the state of an object, the application developer can leverage the infrastructure's support for concurrency and lock management, error recovery, load balancing, and data consistency. This means the majority of an object's state must not be stored contiguously with its virtual function pointers (which represent the object's behavior). Instead, MTS provides facilities for storing object state either in durable or transient storage. This storage is under the control of the MTS runtime environment and can be safely accessed from an object's methods without concern for lock management or data consistency. Object state that must remain consistent in the face of machine failure or abnormal program termination is stored in durable storage, with MTS ensuring that all updates are atomic throughout the network. State that is transient can be stored in MTS-managed memory, with MTS ensuring that memory accesses are serialized to prevent data corruption. As with class-based and interface-based development, the state-conscious programming model of MTS requires additional discipline and attention on the part of the developer. Fortunately, as with class-based and interface-based development, the state-conscious model of MTS can be adopted incrementally. Of course, incremental adoption means that the benefits of MTS will be realized incrementally as well. 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From tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw Wed Jul 3 06:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw (Naiveage.me.ncu.edu.tw [140.115.65.1]) by dove (8.11.2/8.11.2/dove/0.0.4) with ESMTP id g62MOUY03564 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:24:30 +0800 (CST) Received: (from bbs@localhost) by NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA04604 for w3meng@cc.ncu.edu.tw; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:30:27 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:30:27 +0800 (CST) From: tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw Message-Id: <200207022230.GAA04604@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw> X-Authentication-Warning: NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw: bbs set sender to tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw using -f Reply-To: tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw To: w3meng@cc.ncu.edu.tw Subject: [Âà¿ý][Âà¶K] netpd technology X-Disclaimer: ¤¤¥¡¾÷±ñ¯Â¯u¦~¥N¹ï¥»«H¤º®e®¤¤£­t³d¡C Content-Length: 6368 Status: RO µo«H¤H: tlyeh@NaiveAge (aliang), «H°Ï: MeNetManager ¼Ð ÃD: [Âà¿ý][Âà¶K] netpd technology µo«H¯¸: ¤¤¥¡¾÷±ñ¯Â¯u¦~¥N (Tue May 14 07:00:14 2002) Âà«H¯¸: NaiveAge ¡° [¥»¤åÂà¿ý¦Û NCUCC ¬ÝªO] µo«H¤H: tester.bbs@bbs.ee.ncu.edu.tw (BBS ¬O¥ð¶¢²á¤Ñªº¦a¤è ?), ¬ÝªO: NCUCC ¼Ð ÃD: [Âà¶K] netpd technology µo«H¯¸: ¤¤¥¡¤j¾ÇªQÀÜ­·±¡¸ê°T¯¸ (Sat May 11 02:55:09 2002) Âà«H¯¸: NaiveAge!news2.csie.ncu!news.csie.ncu!Evergreen NetPD History NetPD started in January 2000 in Cambridge, England, to provide protection services to copyright owners whose material is being pirated through the internet. The company adopted a technology intensive approach which enables NetPD to find, identify and remove clients' material from virtually all illegal internet sites. NetPD's first major client was the heavy metal group Metallica, and since then, the company has worked for many other clients, developing solutions to the problem of on line piracy which are proven, available, highly effective and affordable. In the period from mid 2000 to the end of 2001, NetPD has acted on behalf of clients to remove over 52 million files which infringed their copyright. It is believed that in that period, no other company was responsible for the removal of more than 1 million infringing files. NetPD Technology The company has developed highly specialised software technology and techniques which deliver extremely high levels of performance and response combined with significant flexibility. Several methods are used to search for infringing files, and NetPD produces tailored front end packages to access web and FTP sites, and all major communities, including Napster, its clones, Gnutella, and others as they arise. NetPD also uses various methods to identify individual files. For the music industry the company has developed and patented a system which provides positive identification of a track, and differentiates between different versions of tracks, and recordings from live performances. The technology has been extended to cover film, videos and images. NetPD uses a customisable automated removal process which enforces the rapid removal of clients' material from all sites offering free downloads. NetPD Infrastructure NetPD has monitoring equipment installed in a number of datacentres in Europe and the US. The technology development centre, originally in Cambridge, has been relocated to London, closer to NetPD's sales and marketing functions and media business clients. The distribution of server infrastructure, running NetPD's software and techniques, enables the company to locate and monitor a very significant proportion of the internet sites world-wide which provide free downloads of material, which may or may not be copyrighted. The data base produced is not only the most extensive of its kind, but it is also capable of being refreshed very rapidly, and therefore it can be far more current than other known media databases. NetPD Net Searching Searches are carried out of the worldwide internet - web & ftp sites, and major communities - for all items nominated by the client. The searches can be repeated or refreshed as frequently as required. Results are analysed and summarised to the clients specification and can be provided as itemised written reports, or accessed directly through on line user interfaces customised for each client. Search results are used for detailed strategic planning, to assist in tactical execution, for evidence in support in major litigation, and/or as the basis of a copyright control program. NetPD Copyright protection At the clients request, NetPD uses an automated process to carry out rapid, bulk removal of infringing files being offered for free downloading. The process is capable of being controlled by filters which can ensure a "fan friendly" approach in which different actions can be taken against sites based on the profile of the site. If and when the files reappear, the infringing sites are detected, challenged and removed again. NetPD will protect complete catalogues, or selected active inventories, usually for 12 month periods. NetPD also offers a Priority Release Program (PRP) for individual new album, game or film releases which are expected to generate large volumes of sales worldwide. A PRP starts one or two months prior to release date, quickly detecting all pre-release appearances of the item, tracing the source, and removing the infringing material. The protection continues after release for as long as required NetPD Promotion and marketing support NetPD's data will complement information collected from fan and on line sale portals, and adds significant potential for the promotion of new releases. Directed viral marketing techniques can be used for the targeted circulation of promotional objects to gendre groupings. NetPD Trends Analysis As NetPD's data base can be refreshed very rapidly, it can be used to detect and track trends in many different aspects of the internet, far beyond the aggregation of on line purchase transactions or visits to official web sites. By recording and tracking the levels of interest in acquiring specific material from "payment free" sources, NetPD is able to collect trend data which can be used for discovering unsigned talent, planning concert tour itineraries, and chart compilation. --  ¡· Origin: ¤¤¥¡ªQÀܯ¸¡¼bbs.ee.ncu.edu.tw From: 140.115.6.234 From tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw Sat Jul 6 04:49:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw (Naiveage.me.ncu.edu.tw [140.115.65.1]) by dove (8.11.2/8.11.2/dove/0.0.4) with ESMTP id g65KniY11259 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:49:44 +0800 (CST) Received: (from bbs@localhost) by NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw (8.9.2/8.9.2) id EAA42612 for w3meng@cc.ncu.edu.tw; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:55:48 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:55:48 +0800 (CST) From: tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw Message-Id: <200207052055.EAA42612@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw> X-Authentication-Warning: NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw: bbs set sender to tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw using -f Reply-To: tlyeh.bbs@NaiveAge.me.ncu.edu.tw To: w3meng@cc.ncu.edu.tw Subject: ÃÒ·Ó¦Ò¸Õ X-Disclaimer: ¤¤¥¡¾÷±ñ¯Â¯u¦~¥N¹ï¥»«H¤º®e®¤¤£­t³d¡C Status: O µo«H¤H: Turbojet (Let's play QNX.), «H°Ï: MENG ¼Ð ÃD: ÃÒ·Ó¦Ò¸Õ µo«H¯¸: ¤¤¥¡¾÷±ñ¯Â¯u¦~¥N (Fri Jul 5 19:39:59 2002) ¦³¨S¦³¤H¦³¿³½ì¥h¦Ò¤p¬õ´U»{ÃÒ¦Ò¸Õ (RHCE)? 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import java.awt.*; public class Lottory extends Applet { Button Lotto; int a[] = new int[6]; final boolean Replay = true, CheckNextItem = false; public void init() { Lotto = new Button("Show me the Lucky Numbers!"); add(Lotto); } public void paint( Graphics g ) { int x = 70; int specialNo; specialNo = a[ (int) (Math.random()*6) ]; for(int i=0; i < a.length; i++) { if ( a[i] < 10 ) g.drawString( "0" + String.valueOf( a[i] ), x, 55 ); else g.drawString( String.valueOf( a[i] ), x, 55 ); x += 30; } if ( specialNo < 10 ) showStatus( "Special No.: " + '0' + Integer.toString( specialNo ) ); else showStatus( "Special No.: " + Integer.toString( specialNo ) ); } public boolean action( Event e, Object o) { int k = 0; repaint(); if ( e.target == Lotto ) { play(); sort( a ); } while( k < a.length -1) { if ( check( a[k], a[k+1]) == Replay) { play(); sort( a ); k = 0; } else k++; } return true; } void play() { for(int i=0; i < a.length; i++) a[i] = 1 + (int) (Math.random()*42); } void sort( int b[] ) { int swap; 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